Curse

Richardt · Sep 23, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

According to this thread....looks like my Alliance runs with all the unwanted classes

cthulhu reborn · Sep 23, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

I think this is a very limited view... dragon slash/save yourselves has great damage, party support, and can hold aggro. Warriors are not limited to tanks, hell tanks are about the worst use a warrior can have. As well as this there is insane AoE that can be done using Axe, Triple Chop, Cyclone and Whirlwind are all pretty good. Earth Shaker spam is also bloody brilliant as well. AoE Knockdown is pretty good no matter what you think. Finally axes are still good, and eviscerate is still sick..

I think you missed the sarcasm in my comments there but perhaps it was less obvious than intended. Still, I wasn't being all sarcastic because I really am sad about being bored with playing my warrior cause it didn't use to be that way. I do get the impression that you are more of a pvp player and I am more of a pve player and I do know warriors do a lot more in pvp although I find the warrior builds rather the same...shock warrior anyone? Oh everyone...

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Have u read Racthoths guide about the imbagon... its basically use skills 1-6 on recharge, and use battle standard of honor assuming dark fury is up. Rits theres nothing to them really. Channeling is a weak ele wannabe. Communing is long dead. Restoration Magic is better used by a necro. But still its easy. With spirits, put them up not mobbed so that aoe wont kill em all, with resto its basic heals, monks are better. Finally communing... its dead, dont go there.

Talk about a limited view. I never really cared about this whole imbagon thing, so no I never read that. I agree with the communion but that's about it. The necro rit, just like the ranger toucher are basically some of the biggest mistakes in the game. Anet never got those primaries right. Still my Rit doesn't run out of energy that quick anyway.

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Ranger is not boring, its so versatile. Can have really nice damage output, superb shutdown, tank, either itself or through a pet, use any other weapon in the game effectively, trap, spirit spam better then a rit (oath shot), the list goes on. Ele i agree, is boring. Warrior I appreciate their usefulness, and their fun, but i simply cbf to grind one through pve.

My comment was purely subjective. I said that rangers bore me...I didn't say they were boring for everyone. I never liked them that much, but many others do and that's fine. And warrior I used to like but I've found that when I put a party together the warrior is the last thing I have need of.

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

In pve anything works, even in HM. With careful aggro and smart players of course its gonna work. Does that mean its better then a monk... not really. The other problem with rits is that weapons spells can only have one up at a time, and also only 1 spirit. Which means that the utility of the rits is limited, eg if ur elite is spirit light weapon, the other cant really bring weapon of warding because they cancel each other out. Well, not cant its just rather clumsy.

As I mentioned, I feel most people don't understand Ritualists. There can be only one weapon spell up at a time PER PERSON, and they cannot be removed. Those elements are both important. And yes it takes a bit more thought to use them right...that was my point, they are a bit trickier to get good at.
I never said that one is better than the other anyway but a Rit works different as a healer than a monk. Whenever you compare classes as in simple DPS or healing per spell or second you forget that a class is more than that. Ritualist healers have a few more options in restoration that make them more versatile than monks. I for example killed Shiro with my restoration Rit in Gate of Madness on my own. Also that same Rit helped another PuG and I was able to ress my silly team mates who rushed in and got themselves killed by being stupid and I was able to ress them all while being attacked by Shiro. Haven't seen any monks do that.
So does a monk, purely looking at healing, heal more points than a Rit? I haven't seen the stats but possibly. Does that alone make a monk the best choice in a team? Hardly.

At the end of the day all I know from experience is that my Rit does well in pve and pvp and all I see here is a lot of assumptions and claims without anything to support these claims. When you build a team with 2 monks as healers you build the team around it. You cannot simply replace them with 2 Rits and then expect them to function the same. You'll have to rework the team for the synergy. So yeah I think people can say that Rits aren't that popular but the idea that they are simply crap is laughable.

Sage Sanctus · Sep 23, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

I cannot believe people are saying that Para's suck

Para's.. I don't leave without one, especially in PvE!

I personally HATE WITH A PASSION Dervish's that "tank" (sorry to you dervish fanatics

) but that's not their job... what is their job ;O?

the mad farmers with skirts are cool enough in pvp, but the only time I use them in pve is for orders

so yeah - Dervish :x

Tyla · Sep 23, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

The job of a Dervish is to deal incredible amounts of damage.

Ruby Lightheart · Sep 25, 2008, 02:02 AM // 02:02

Well personally I dont see why everyone is hating on the Ritualists and Paragons. I have both and am extremely happy with them. The trick with them is that both need to specialize between damage dealer or support healing/protection. Builds for them which are part damage and part support do not work all that well as the effective ness is weakened. Without specialization with these two especially they are ineffective.

As for female rangers, yes I have noticed a large number of rangers are men. There was a time when rangers were considered an ineffective class, chosen only when interrupts were needed. With the improvements made to the mesmer class a while ago, interrupt rangers werent needed as much and it dropped more when the interrupt henchie was introduced (Zho). What many dont realize is the ranger can be a massive damage dealer as well as an AOE dealer when outfitted with certain skills and secondary professions. Another reason female rangers are not that common is..well...the visual options for them stink. Female rangers and female mesmers, didnt get the sexy look that the female paragons and eles got and even female assasin and monk look cutier.

Anyhow thats my input..flame away

HawkofStorms · Sep 25, 2008, 02:11 AM // 02:11

The Dervishes job is to spam Wounding Strike on recharge.... clearly. Once/if that gets nerfed... umm Avatar of Melendru?

And nobody (well a few people are) are saying "paragons suck." They are just saying paragons are unpopular (which they are) and that they are boring to play (to most people they are, including me).

Edit: Are you kidding? Female rangers are EVERYWHERE. That little strip tease dance they have and their 15k Druids which was worn by everybody prior to factions was very popular. Heck, everybody got away with wearing the skimpyist outfit possible by justifying in their mind "well, +energy IS the most useful armor bonus"
On the other hand, male rangers are kinda cool with their trenchcoats (except for a couple male ele armors, nobody else has that really) and a lot of people want to be Legolas (who really looks more like a girl... anyways)

R_Frost · Sep 25, 2008, 02:43 AM // 02:43

i love playing my Mesmer and Rit in PvE, matter of fact both are triple protectors. only my Mesmer has ventured into EoTN. maybe someday my Rit will get to venture into EoTN but im currently busy with other goals in game. my 3 least popular classes are Dervish, Warrior and Paragon. i still havent gotten the feel for the Dervish even though mine is in the process of beating tyria,elona and cantha. my paragon is in the same boat as the dervish. i guess after playing a ranger so much i just cant get the feel for the paragon. my warrior has beaten all 3 games and is just a pack mule with 3 titles. i would rather play an assassin before playing a warrior or dervish. i have more fun with the pop in, spike and retreat of the sin or hanging back protecting the squishy casters while they bring on the mass damage.

Xx_Sorin_xX · Sep 25, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by V E R A T T A

Ritualists and mesmers rule wtf you guys talking about

i'm not sure if this is sarcastic, but oh well.

that's not the point of the thread. it's not the 3 least useful/effective classes, it's least popular.

that being said...i'd say it's

1) Ritualist
2) Mesmer
3) Dervish or Paragon

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 25, 2008, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by Tyla

The job of a Dervish is to deal incredible amounts of damage.

:S Then why do Assassins do that so much better?

Accursed · Sep 25, 2008, 03:19 AM // 03:19

1. Mesmer
2. Ritualist
3. Dervish/Paragon

Too many people think these three profession suck, but they've never really used them in High-End PvE/PvP.

Silicon Based · Sep 25, 2008, 07:38 AM // 07:38

stop guessing about the least popular classes and look here for HARD FACTS:

www.gwchars.de

Unreal Havoc · Sep 25, 2008, 09:06 AM // 09:06

Nice site, that doesn't represent the entire community though, and not everyone may have put up all their characters yet.

N1ghtstalker · Sep 25, 2008, 09:13 AM // 09:13

mesmer
assassin (for general PvE use)
rit (unfortunatly, cuz they're packing serious power)

Rothan Celt · Sep 25, 2008, 09:14 AM // 09:14

Rts are pretty lameass just Necro/monk combined.

EPO Bot · Sep 25, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

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Originally Posted by Silicon Based

stop guessing about the least popular classes and look here for HARD FACTS:

www.gwchars.de

So many monks, and yet there are never enough. Something must be done about the over-relyance on monks.

daze · Sep 25, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by Kagome

I never liked the ritualist because I don't think its really original. Its pretty much a necromancer/mesmer gone wrong...

I hope they are cut in GW2 because they are so unpopular now and we have enough spellcasters.

Wow why all the Rit hate.. I love my rit, they are very powerful. And N/Rt healers are taking over the jobs of Monks.

I guess Rits are like paragons. if you dont know how to use them, you dont like them. Spirit rift can be the biggest ouch spell in the game. Ive seen HM enemies take out my whole backline with one spirit rife in one hit.,

idicious · Sep 25, 2008, 10:12 AM // 10:12

In my guild I'd say Warrior and Dervish.

Generally for pugs etc mesmers, paragon and ritualist (love all 3 personally)

Cab Tastic · Sep 25, 2008, 10:36 AM // 10:36

As I mentioned earlier, the biggest damage dealer in the game is a bow wielding splinter/barrage rit.

if I was forming a party I could find a spot for a rit with the above build.

Silicon Based · Sep 25, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Nice site, that doesn't represent the entire community though, and not everyone may have put up all their characters yet.

But at least www.gwchars.de is a more objective sample then the wild guessing most people have come up with in this thread so far.

Rexion · Sep 25, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

to be EXACT....

3. Dervish
2. Female Assassins
1. Male Mesmer